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		<title>By: Christian DiCanio</title>
		<link>http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2006/05/06/prescription-jugs/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian DiCanio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 20:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It's curious whether or not the "new affricate" derived from /dr/ and /tr/ clusters is phonologically distinct from the existing alveopalatal affricates in English. My feeling is that in American English we are simply going to have 2 types of affricates, one alveopalatal and one that is retracted/retroflex.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s curious whether or not the &#8220;new affricate&#8221; derived from /dr/ and /tr/ clusters is phonologically distinct from the existing alveopalatal affricates in English. My feeling is that in American English we are simply going to have 2 types of affricates, one alveopalatal and one that is retracted/retroflex.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Barlow</title>
		<link>http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2006/05/06/prescription-jugs/#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 02:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some have proposed that children may represent clusters as something like affricates based on reduction patterns, acoustic evidence, and perceptual segmentation tasks. There's an interesting study by Barton, Miller, &#038; Macken (1980) who tested 24 English speaking kids' (age 4-5 years) ability to segment initial clusters, specifically /sw-/ and /tr-/, into phoneme-length units.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The first task was a segmentation task, where the kids identified the first sound of a word that began with a singleton or a cluster. They successfully identified initial &lt;i&gt;singletons&lt;/i&gt; in words, but with initial clusters, the results varied. For words beginning with /sw-/, some children identified the initial segment as [sə-], others as [swə-]. For /tr-/ words, children identified the initial sound as [tʰə-], [ʧə-], [ʧr-] or [tr-]. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the second task, grouping, the kids determined if initial cluster words comprised a separate category or a subset of a larger category of words beginning with the same sound. They found that some of the kids always grouped words with clusters with a singleton set: /s/-initial words (and even sometimes /f/-initial words!) were grouped with /sw-/ words, and /ʧ/-initial words and/or /t/-initial words were grouped with /tr-/ words. Some kids even categorized /sw-/ uniquely, while they grouped /tr-/ clusters with /ʧ/ and/or /t/, while another kid categorized /tr-/ uniquely, but grouped /sw-/ clusters with /s/.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the third task, symbolization, the kids used colored blocks to represent the sounds in initial clusters. They were asked three different questions: 1) “What is the first part [or sound] of the word?” (p. 121), 2) “Is the first part one or two sounds?” and 3) “Do you need an ‘old’ block or a ‘new’ block? Have we had that sound before?” (p. 122). For the first question (regardless of whether the word “part” or “sound” was used), some of the kids gave singletons: [s] or [f] for /sw-/ and [t] or [ʧ] for /tr-/. Some gave cluster segmentations of the cluster words: [sw-] for /sw-/ and [ʧr-] or [tr-] for /tr-/. For the second question, &lt;i&gt;none&lt;/i&gt; of the kids could systematically say whether the first parts of words consisted of one or two sounds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because of their findings, Barton et al. argued that children first represent clusters as single units but that this representation later changes as a result of exposure to orthography.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Barton, D., Miller, R., &#038; Macken, M. (1980). Do children treat clusters as one unit or two? In E. V. Clark (Ed.), &lt;i&gt;Papers and Reports on Child Language Development&lt;/i&gt; (Vol. 18, pp. 105-137). Stanford: Department of Linguistics, Stanford University.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have proposed that children may represent clusters as something like affricates based on reduction patterns, acoustic evidence, and perceptual segmentation tasks. There&#8217;s an interesting study by Barton, Miller, &#038; Macken (1980) who tested 24 English speaking kids&#8217; (age 4-5 years) ability to segment initial clusters, specifically /sw-/ and /tr-/, into phoneme-length units.  </p>
<p>The first task was a segmentation task, where the kids identified the first sound of a word that began with a singleton or a cluster. They successfully identified initial <i>singletons</i> in words, but with initial clusters, the results varied. For words beginning with /sw-/, some children identified the initial segment as [sə-], others as [swə-]. For /tr-/ words, children identified the initial sound as [tʰə-], [ʧə-], [ʧr-] or [tr-]. </p>
<p>In the second task, grouping, the kids determined if initial cluster words comprised a separate category or a subset of a larger category of words beginning with the same sound. They found that some of the kids always grouped words with clusters with a singleton set: /s/-initial words (and even sometimes /f/-initial words!) were grouped with /sw-/ words, and /ʧ/-initial words and/or /t/-initial words were grouped with /tr-/ words. Some kids even categorized /sw-/ uniquely, while they grouped /tr-/ clusters with /ʧ/ and/or /t/, while another kid categorized /tr-/ uniquely, but grouped /sw-/ clusters with /s/.</p>
<p>In the third task, symbolization, the kids used colored blocks to represent the sounds in initial clusters. They were asked three different questions: 1) “What is the first part [or sound] of the word?” (p. 121), 2) “Is the first part one or two sounds?” and 3) “Do you need an ‘old’ block or a ‘new’ block? Have we had that sound before?” (p. 122). For the first question (regardless of whether the word “part” or “sound” was used), some of the kids gave singletons: [s] or [f] for /sw-/ and [t] or [ʧ] for /tr-/. Some gave cluster segmentations of the cluster words: [sw-] for /sw-/ and [ʧr-] or [tr-] for /tr-/. For the second question, <i>none</i> of the kids could systematically say whether the first parts of words consisted of one or two sounds.</p>
<p>Because of their findings, Barton et al. argued that children first represent clusters as single units but that this representation later changes as a result of exposure to orthography.</p>
<p>Barton, D., Miller, R., &#038; Macken, M. (1980). Do children treat clusters as one unit or two? In E. V. Clark (Ed.), <i>Papers and Reports on Child Language Development</i> (Vol. 18, pp. 105-137). Stanford: Department of Linguistics, Stanford University.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Becker</title>
		<link>http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2006/05/06/prescription-jugs/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 12:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hear no rhotic at all in the way my students (in Western Massachusetts) pronounce names like Sandra, i.e. [sænʤɐ].&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear no rhotic at all in the way my students (in Western Massachusetts) pronounce names like Sandra, i.e. [sænʤɐ].</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bakovic</title>
		<link>http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2006/05/06/prescription-jugs/#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Bakovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 00:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rick -- you'll find a discussion of exactly this point if you follow &lt;a href="http://camba.ucsd.edu/phonoloblog/index.php/2006/01/31/the-jug-trade/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the first link&lt;/a&gt; in Travis's post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick &#8212; you&#8217;ll find a discussion of exactly this point if you follow <a href="http://camba.ucsd.edu/phonoloblog/index.php/2006/01/31/the-jug-trade/" rel="nofollow">the first link</a> in Travis&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Wojcik</title>
		<link>http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2006/05/06/prescription-jugs/#comment-2370</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Wojcik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 00:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For many American speakers, syllable-initial /dr/ and /tr/ clusters don't occur from a phonotactic perspective.  One way to test for this is to present speakers with words like "train" and ask them to identify the initial sound as the same sound as the initial sound in "Dane" or "Jane".  If you try this with a class of students, you'll find that some disagree vehemently on which phoneme is the initial one.  I may be wrong, but I believe that Southern dialects tend to perceive and pronounce initial affricates in those clusters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For many American speakers, syllable-initial /dr/ and /tr/ clusters don&#8217;t occur from a phonotactic perspective.  One way to test for this is to present speakers with words like &#8220;train&#8221; and ask them to identify the initial sound as the same sound as the initial sound in &#8220;Dane&#8221; or &#8220;Jane&#8221;.  If you try this with a class of students, you&#8217;ll find that some disagree vehemently on which phoneme is the initial one.  I may be wrong, but I believe that Southern dialects tend to perceive and pronounce initial affricates in those clusters.</p>
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