Comments on: Caroline Islands Script http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2005/07/01/caroline-islands-script/ all things phonology | camba.ucsd.edu/phonoloblog Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:29:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: kaiyen http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2005/07/01/caroline-islands-script/#comment-1217 kaiyen Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:39:41 +0000 http://camba.ucsd.edu/phonoloblog/?p=194#comment-1217 <p>hi, im from micronesia, Chuuk. My peoples ancestors had a language called "itang." And only royalty or chiefs has that knowledge. I want to learn more about my people and i was hopeing if you could help me out. please mail me at freehammer4u@yahoo.com</p> <p>thank you</p> hi, im from micronesia, Chuuk. My peoples ancestors had a language called “itang.” And only royalty or chiefs has that knowledge. I want to learn more about my people and i was hopeing if you could help me out. please mail me at freehammer4u@yahoo.com

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]]> By: Michael http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2005/07/01/caroline-islands-script/#comment-1216 Michael Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:16:28 +0000 http://camba.ucsd.edu/phonoloblog/?p=194#comment-1216 <p>Interesting blogg here. I though from personaly experience, believe that the script though influenced by westerners, also have local orgin. Thoughout the islands there is a system of lore that is called Itang. It consists of language that is different than normral Trukic language, in which traditional lore and wisdom is practiced. Since time of European encounters, Itang was often associated with chiefs, though through some local sources, they say that itang was once known by common people. They started to missuse it and it then was only practiced by the chiefs. On the outer islands between chuuk and yap, itang is also practiced, but often combined with the traditional navigation. Before I totaly lose track of what I am saying, I believe I should point out the following.</p> <p>In Trukic area in Carolinas there are pictographs along with traditional tatoos. I have seen both, in case of tatoos, I can see one and know what it means. Many of the scripts remind me of both. As to why I mentioned Itang, is that it included a way of sending messages from one chief to another. By arrangement of different objects in say a basket, a Chief could then look at it and know of some warning, or upcoming event. The chief then can make a proclamation to wonder of everyone. There seems to be roots of proto-script. I am not sure that there was more over systematic way of writing as developed in writing samples of the Woleain script that I seen. Probably the european influence gave booste in which to develope the pro-script into a more formal script.</p> <p>By the way have you ever been to Micronesia?</p> Interesting blogg here. I though from personaly experience, believe that the script though influenced by westerners, also have local orgin. Thoughout the islands there is a system of lore that is called Itang. It consists of language that is different than normral Trukic language, in which traditional lore and wisdom is practiced. Since time of European encounters, Itang was often associated with chiefs, though through some local sources, they say that itang was once known by common people. They started to missuse it and it then was only practiced by the chiefs. On the outer islands between chuuk and yap, itang is also practiced, but often combined with the traditional navigation. Before I totaly lose track of what I am saying, I believe I should point out the following.

In Trukic area in Carolinas there are pictographs along with traditional tatoos. I have seen both, in case of tatoos, I can see one and know what it means. Many of the scripts remind me of both. As to why I mentioned Itang, is that it included a way of sending messages from one chief to another. By arrangement of different objects in say a basket, a Chief could then look at it and know of some warning, or upcoming event. The chief then can make a proclamation to wonder of everyone. There seems to be roots of proto-script. I am not sure that there was more over systematic way of writing as developed in writing samples of the Woleain script that I seen. Probably the european influence gave booste in which to develope the pro-script into a more formal script.

By the way have you ever been to Micronesia?

]]> By: Bob Kennedy http://camba.ucsd.edu/blog/phonoloblog/2005/07/01/caroline-islands-script/#comment-1215 Bob Kennedy Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:29:16 +0000 http://camba.ucsd.edu/phonoloblog/?p=194#comment-1215 Michael Everson wrote to <b>phonoloblog</b> to add some thoughts about teh syllabary: <blockquote><font color="blue">The syllabary is what it is, but the Romanization is a goddawful mess. That will take a great deal of work before this script can be encoded. There's a question as to whether it has any users, though.</font></blockquote> The Romanization - ie, letter equivalents of the symbols - is indeed messier than I expressed in this post. I don't have the R&K work with me right now, but there are many examples in which a particular symbol is used for more than one CV combination. It seems as if the script never really got standardized. As far as whether there are any users, even in 1960, it seemed like there were few if any. The <a href="http://www.carolineislandscript.com" rel="nofollow">Koches</a> may know more about this question. Michael Everson wrote to phonoloblog to add some thoughts about teh syllabary:

The syllabary is what it is, but the Romanization is a goddawful mess. That will take a great deal of work before this script can be encoded. There’s a question as to whether it has any users, though.

The Romanization - ie, letter equivalents of the symbols - is indeed messier than I expressed in this post. I don’t have the R&K work with me right now, but there are many examples in which a particular symbol is used for more than one CV combination. It seems as if the script never really got standardized. As far as whether there are any users, even in 1960, it seemed like there were few if any. The Koches may know more about this question.

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